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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
So much for "Unity".
As has been pointed out many times, we are not part of Nation proper. We have the same issues as other capsuleer organizations because we haven't been Integrated (though most of us wish otherwise).
This is an incredibly sad turn of events. Niraia, I will hold an assembly and decide what to do from here.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken Excellent news. I am tickled.
I am usually a very calm, rational person. But I'll put it like this: screw you, sir.
I have friends on both sides of this issue who are hurt deeply, and thus I am hurt. You may enjoy this pain simply because we support a different set of ideals than you. But whenever I hear of long-time friends being separated because of corp or alliance politics I sympathize, because it is often never the rank and file that have beef with each other, but rather it's the leadership's own issues that drive good friends apart. I think it's bull****.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Pryce I guess unity didn't prevail.
You are included in my above response to Boma, by the way. We're human too, which is why we're not as united as Nation.
At this point, I wish Master Kuvakei would Integrate me. It's that bad. My faith in humans' ability to cohabitate is at an all time low.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Pryce
I try to care, but seems all I can do is laugh.
*glares* Do not become the subject of my anger. I have a surplus of the stuff at this moment.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken
You suppose that I of all people have not been there before? Shame on you. Welcome to your growing pains. This above all else should prove to you that there is not and never will be this utopian idea of unity, in practice. Nation failed before, it will fail again, as is evidenced by this very small cog in that machine experiencing failure.
Look at the state the Achur Seperatist movement is in and get back to me. The true test is whether or not you will persevere and NEVER give up no matter what.
I do not mean to attack you personally. But at any rate.
We are not Nation. We are not a cog of Nation, or "puppets" of Master Kuvakei. We are simply supporters, and if anything it is because we have retained our humanity and we have failed that I am more inclined to support Nation than ever before. Yes, part of me wants to just give up and be on a "permanent opiate drip" (an allusion to a post in another thread). But the other, stronger part of me wants to be more zealous than an Amarrian Crusader.
Unity is achievable, but we must give up greed and corruption. This much has been revealed to me.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken
I am not greedy, nor am I corrupt. I suppose you could say that I am greedy because I place a value on my culture. Something Nation seeks to destroy. I do not think that my people need some sort of blissful integration to coexist peacefully with others. What you propose, and this still cannot be argued, is that you want me to give up my identity and become something else. Something incredibly happy and satisfied forever and ever. THAT is what sounds greedy to me.
I wasn't referring to your greed as much as I was the power politics that go on in alliance-level leadership.
In regards to Integration, is it not the goal or wishes of everyone to be happy? If one can give another happiness, is it not their duty to do so?
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken
It is most definetly not their duty to make the decision for another. Do you know what would make me happy? Does Kuvakei? Do I? On a very simple spiritual and emotional level these are the questions Kuvakei has failed to answer. This is why Kuvakei's vision is so terrifying to most. Will I be happy? Maybe. Will I be genuinely happy? This is the big question. How can you or Kuvakei possibly know what will create a truly joyful, fulfilling life for me, a human individual? A unique soul. This, I believe is where you will always meet the harshest resistance.
It is just like the Achur not flocking to the movement in droves. They are scared. How can they know that my vision is best for them? How do they know the ethnic Caldari will not just bombard them into submission?
You and I are in the same business to an extent. We are both trying to take someones spiritual, emotional, and cultural currency in exchange for something they do not, and cannot assign a value to.
The question of genuine happiness is concerning...
I've a lot on my mind and will probably re-read your words a few times. I'm not sure how all of this will turn out. I do not know if my face will be sour, bitter, or sweet after tasting the vinegar.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chinwe Rhei Does this mean nation supporters have decided some things are more important than unity and a common purpose ? You know you can't do this properly without a formal war declaration to settle once and for all who cares about universal harmony more.
The irony definitely isn't lost on me...
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Rek Jaiga, don't give us rubbish about being "hurt". Millions of bereaved know pain far greater than simple capsuleer politics.
There is no death in Nation, and thus no bereaved from Nation's actions. Pain can be alleviated. That's why I started supporting Nation in the first place.
This extends to my own pain, too. As my pain is converted into zeal my ultimate closure will be to see Master Kuvakei's dream realized.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Ah yes, the "becoming a zombie is preferable to human suffering" argument. Keep going.
Ah yes, the "let's mock my opponent and misrepresent his viewpoint" fallacy. Keep going.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
One day you may understand just how broken you are. One day you may see yourself... and weep.
Of course I am broken. How do you think I got to be here in the first place?
So long as we continue to argue over the GalNet, we are all broken.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
I will... if they ever undock with Electus Matari in local.
It's not like you've no clue where to find us, and yet I rarely see any Electus Matari pilots in system. In fact, we find the Amarr militia members are more wont to engage us than Electus Matari.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aodha Khan
a. ZZ stays with Sansha alliance and continues to be a waste of space
or
b. ZZ gets kicked from Sansha alliance and disbands and we never have to read or see them again
or
c. ZZ gets kicked from Sansha alliance and continues to be a waste of space
or
d. Z-Z is now free of any rules concerning engagement, travels to Curse and engages in the wholesale harvesting of Cartel personnel for later Integration.
Forgot that one.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Niraia
Originally by: Rek Jaiga d. Z-Z is now free of any rules concerning engagement, travels to Curse and engages in the wholesale harvesting of Cartel personnel for later Integration.
Want to come too?
You mean beat down the Cartel, support Nation, and get rich off CONCORD's bounty money? Very tempting!
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: JiaLei Lian Such poor form.
*smirks* If Niraia and I run off together, will you still bop me on the head from time to time?
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Medarr Intresting.. I thought nation was united in a single purpose, a single will...
So wheres your unity now, Your dream...
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
As has been pointed out many times, we are not part of Nation proper. We have the same issues as other capsuleer organizations because we haven't been Integrated (though most of us wish otherwise).
Originally by: Crucifire
Despite common belief, we are human too. Sometimes humans are greedy, spiteful, or swell a little too large with pride. And sometimes we simply **** up.
Being a capsuleer paramilitary organization, SHARE's internal political conflict will have no effect on Master Kuvakei's campaign. Every bit of support Sansha's Nation received from capsuleers is an added bonus to bringing the Master's vision of True Unity to realization. I want to stress that the efforts of every dedicated pilot serving Nation will continue unhindered.
Originally by: The Voices in Rek's Head
We are not Nation...we are not Nation...we are not Nation! Stop conflating things!
Reading. The single best way to stay informed. Now go sit down in the corner labelled "parrots"
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.09 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Niraia
Originally by: Crucifire I want to stress that the efforts of every dedicated pilot serving Nation will continue unhindered.
This is actually inacurate. The primary communications channel used for communication between capsuleer loyalists and Master is owned by Ghost Hunter.
He has, amusingly, banned me from it. I don't think everyone from the alliance was allowed there, because he didn't trust you enough to be part of his secret club.
Make no mistake, our efforts have indeed been hindered. I have contacted Master concerning this point.
What is this? I'll contact you...
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.10 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Niraia
Time to tighten things up here, anyway.
Some dead weight is in the process of being removed, as we re-evaluate our goals.
As Ghost Hunter pronounces himself to be the Sword of Nation, so I shall become its dagger. He blindly slashes his way towards Kuvakei's dream, oblivious to his blade having already passed through it, leaving it maimed.
Perhaps it's time to take an entirely different approach to supporting Nation? In the past we loyalists have always waited around for Nation to strike first and then we'd rush to support. Maybe I'm the only one who's thought of this but perhaps we should reconsider this tactic. Perhaps we should be more...proactive...and strike strategic targets ourselves without waiting on Nation? In this way Nation will have less to deal with.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.10 16:56:00 -
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Well you know how indecisive and oddly Gallentean I am; I will need to hold a council and vote before deciding anything.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.10 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Erin Sanbeche
If you pardon my rudeness, I just figured I would point something out to any who are looking.
Originally by: Niraia, in a different thread
Damn you for staying in one system so we can find you with ease!
Oh no, our position is compromised! Sound the klaxons!
Our location is not unknown at all. Electus Matari, Murientor Tribe, Knighthood of the Merciful Crown, and others all have been in Turnur. We've even exchanged fire with all of the above.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gottii "Unity prevails"
Oh yes, we have another clever mind cracking an incredibly witty and completely original joke!
Hey smartass, did you not get the memo about us not being Integrated? We have issues just like any other capsuleer group.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gottii
Im sure the concept of Unity will be uploaded into your mind when your humanity is wiped away.
And, hopefully, the concept of baiting or trolling ones opponent.
It's not like we didn't say "We're not Integrated, thus poking fun at Unity isn't valid because we're still more or less regular capsuleers". We said it many times. So when yet another individual comes in and laughs at Unity, I get angry; it's clear they're either not reading or they're trolling. Hence I respond with harsh words and sarcasm.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.11 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: wurblewind Despite my ardent stance against you and yours, Rek, I must still send my regards to you in this matter. It seems that your choice to remain independent has, frankly, "reached back and bit you in the ***." I hope to see you recovered when you next enter the field, as I see no honor in facing a crippled foe. o7
I thank you for your regards. It is very tempting to just fly off to some distance, remote system and just chill there for a few months and not do a single damned thing other than mine at some asteroids. But I must stand strong for my beliefs, even if they're constantly under attack.
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Rek Jaiga
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Markius TheShed
Don't you dare come to FRERSTORN and try any nation shenanigans, Oh nos you now know our secret HQ location.
Kuvakei be praised! We would have never known your secret location were it not for this post! We typically ignored the ten or so pilots in Frerstorn with the MURIE tag. Never would have guessed!
*cannot hold a straight face *
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